The Leeds United and Newcastle United players both saw red in recent days while out on loan.
Leeds United midfielder Tommaso Bianchi had a debut to forget for loan club Ascoli at the weekend when he was sent off just 25 minutes into the game and then watched as his new team went on to lose 3-0 to Cesana.
Just a few days later, Florian Thauvin made his second debut for Marseille after returning to the club on loan from Newcastle United, and he lasted even less time on the pitch, shown a straight red card 10 minutes after coming off the bench against Montpellier.
But could there be a link between the Leeds and Newcastle players' recent moments of madness?
After all, both men had no doubt become frustrated this season – Bianchi at a lack of first-team chances at Elland Road and Thauvin at the flop label he was quickly lumbered with at St James' Park.
The Frenchman struggled to make any significant impact at Newcastle while Bianchi had to make do with under-21 appearances after recovering from injury.
With that in mind, it is no surprise both players went all out on their respective debuts for their loan clubs, going too far in the process.
Desire can be mistaken as hot-headedness when a player is so keen to impress after months either on the side-lines or out of form.
And so it proved with Bianchi and Thauvin, who could both yet have a future in the English game, but who will have to do better in the weeks ahead to convince Leeds and Newcastle that is the case.