The Tyne-Wear shot stoppers have been some of the busiest in the Premier League...
One side has already replaced their manager. The other one looks guaranteed to - it is simply a matter of how long they leave it before sacking him.
And yet, even when analysing other areas of Newcastle and Sunderland’s games, their defenders come off looking worse.
Indeed, a look at the Premier League’s top goalkeepers reveals that both the Magpies and the Black Cats possess a shot stopper who has made the joint-second most saves in the top flight so far this term.
But, as we know, they don’t possess the best goalkeepers in the league…
With 33 saves each, Tim Krul - who has often shown glimpses of the poor form he displayed last season - and Costel Pantilimon - who showed against West Ham United how error prone he is - have only been outdone by Jack Butland.
What does that tell you? That, once again, both goalkeepers have been let down by the Newcastle and Sunderland defences.
Butland, who has done well for Stoke, has also faced plenty of pressure, while Petr Cech’s inclusion is an intriguing one. The Arsenal shot stopper is a quality goalkeeper and has already made some incredible saves. But he, too, has been left exposed by his back four.