You always got the sense Steve McClaren's move to Newcastle United would make or break his reputation for good.
At Middlesbrough, 'Shteve' had some good times. With England, he was a failure. At FC Twente, Shteve had some good times. At Wolfsburg, he was a failure.
It's no wonder, then, that both Forest and Derby fans are laying into the 54-year-old after Newcastle's 6-1 loss to Manchester City.
The former England manager's time with the Magpies may well be what makes or breaks his reputation. Right now, it's almost broken it after just 10 games at Newcastle.
Not only is McClaren losing miserably but his excuses and lack of responsibility & authority are becoming another way of saying 'just sack me, Newcastle.' If the 54-year-old does get the sack, Nottingham Forest and Derby supporters will no doubt have a field day.
But there's already plenty for both Derby and Forest fans to get stuck into after Newcastle's 6-1 loss...
Here's how the Derby County and Nottingham Forest faithfuls responded on Twitter to McClaren's misery:
I think I've worked it out. Derby wanted Steve McLaren to go to Newcastle to beat their worst team in history low points total #NFFC— Daniel Robinson (@WendelSpanswick) October 3, 2015
Brilliant day. Derby get their first home win. Forest lose. We go five points ahead of them. McClaren gets a battering. Good times #dcfc— Nathan Wilkinson (@Wilkinson_DCFC) October 3, 2015