First off, Arsenal are yet to pick up a point this campaign, losing to the two sides they pretty much needed to beat due to them being drawn in a group with German giants Bayern Munich.
The Gunners managed to lose to Dinamo Zagreb on in their opening game, and then managed to mess up another 'easy win' against Olympiakos.
Things for Chelsea are a little bit better, but they had a bit of a nightmare when Jose Mourinho returned to Porto on Tuesday and got beaten for his troubles.
THEN, both of the Manchester clubs lost in their opening games, helping the Premier League contingent to set a pretty shocking record.
Amazing Opta fact this: Between 2003 and 2012, the most English defeats in a CL group stage was 5, which we have already seen this season— Ali Tweedale (@alitweedale) September 29, 2015
Yep, Premier League teams have been beaten more times in the group stage this season than they have been in a nine-year period!
With the two Manchester teams playing tonight, could we see English teams end up with six or seven defeats? Quite possibly!