Despite many changes taking place in trying to turn around Liverpool's fortunes, there's this horrible feeling it's like trying to push water uphill.
It's hard to see where Liverpool and Brendan Rodgers go from here to continue to work together. After the backing he got over the summer with seven new faces arriving at the club, and another transfer window where a decent amount of money was spent, it's clear the Reds boss will not be sacked this week - or next.
But it was interesting in the away end at Old Trafford. An evening kick off away to one of their fierce rivals, apart from the opening of the game where you get the usual raucous chants, it fell pretty flat very quickly. That might have something to do with one of the worst halves of football played between the two sides in a good while. Certainly in my lifetime!
It was telling there were no chants for the Reds' boss during the game - certainly none in my earshot - and speaking to fans who go everywhere to watch the side they think his time is up at the club. There needs to be some sort of change at managerial level.
It's not just the defeats, but the manner of them. The West Ham home game, the humiliation at Stoke City on the final day of last season and the spineless display on Steven Gerrard's Anfield farewell against Crystal Palace have all been huge disappointments which have added to the growing voices of discontent.
It would be unfair to say he has been an all bad manager, but there have been things that he has been unable to improve. A Brendan Rodgers managed Liverpool side is almost certain to concede around 50 goals over the course of the Premier League season.
In many he has suffered from the modern day curse at Liverpool. Both Gerard Houllier and Rafa Benitez both mounted significant title challenges and then it all unravelled the following the season. The same has happened with Rodgers.
You can how much the Ulsterman had to do with the Liverpool title challenge given he had one of the best players on the planet at his disposal, but one thing he did seem to have was a clear idea of how he wanted his side to play. That has been lost since.
At the moment, it seems quite apt that the Reds' official club suit, sported by the manager every week, seems to resemble something of a funeral suit. Following Liverpool home and away at the moment is about as fun when it comes to the football side of things.
Things need to change, and pretty quickly. I think Rodgers will have been afforded a bit more slack if he had a trophy to show for his time at Anfield. The Europa League and League Cup are getting underway soon, and there are two winnable home games in the Premier League coming up. All must be taken very seriously in order to get some momentum into the season, rather than it being all over bar the shouting in November.