Last night saw Liverpool's wobbles continue as they were defeated 1-0 at FC Basel. The Reds have has a struggle at the start of the current season and are now without a win in 90 minutes since a late goal against Bulgarian side Ludogorets on the 16th of September.
With that in mind the fans are certainly slightly gloomy at the moment, as Liverpool continue to fail in the absence of star striker Luis Suarez, who was sold last summer.
But defeat to Basel, especially at St Jakob Park is not something to be ashamed at, especially if you are an English club.
Because Basel have made a habit of making life tough for English teams in recent seasons.
Last season Basel had Chelsea in their Champions League group. The Blues may have gone on to reach the semi-finals of the competition, but they lost both home and away against the Swiss side in the competition last season. Zero points from a potential six from Jose Mourinho's men against the Swiss giants.
Their previous meetings with English clubs in the Champions League before the Chelsea meetings also proved positive.
This time it was Manchester United who bore the brunt of their English expertise. In 2011 Basel earned a 3-3 draw at Old Trafford before beating them 2-1 at St Jakob - dumping United out of the Champions League at the Group Stage.
Go back to 2003 and Basel drew at Old Trafford with United. 2002 and it was Liverpool, draws home and away against The Reds as Basel put their names on the map.
They also knocked out Tottenham Hotspur in the Europa League in 2012-13 - in fact it is when they face the less powerful English clubs that they come unstuck.
They were outdone by Newcastle United in 2003, the infamous Middlesbrough win in 2006 while Blackburn and Fulham have also managed to get the better of Basel in European competition.
Overall, since the turn of the century, Basel have played against English teams 20 times, winning just five, drawing six and losing nine. But in the Champions League alone, against England's elite they really raise their game - playing nine, winning four, drawing four and losing just the once.
So don't panic Liverpool fans just yet, because when the big English boys come to play, Basel don't mess about.