The lowest ebb of the David Moyes era at Manchester United?
It might have been tonight against Olympiakos.
United perhaps came into this game with a sense of false-confidence. But rightly so. The football hipster will claim Olympiakos are under-rated, really good and at home we should not be surprised.
But United should have done much better than what they put on display tonight.
Flat, unengaging, vapid - simply poor.
The Greek side played well, give them their credit, but the players let David Moyes down this evening - although his draconian tactics did not help - as Olympiakos found space aplenty across the field.
For some of the United old guard this performance and result is simply shocking - and absolutely unacceptable.
One such player is Peter Schmeichel.
One of the iconic images of Sir Alex Ferguson's reign was the great Dane going topsy-turvy after United won the Champions League against Bayern Munich - and in his 393 appearances for United we doubt many of them actually reduced him to tears.
But according to his reactive Tweet after full-time in Piraeus that is exactly what he said it had done to him.
I have no words;-(— Peter Schmeichel (@Pschmeichel1) February 25, 2014
image: © Jon Candy