Sometimes it is lucky; but sometimes it is fully deserved. The latest Old Trafford defeat for Manchester United was most certainly the latter, with West Bromwich Albion good value for their 2-1 victory.
The result means United have now suffered their worst start to a league campaign in 24 years. And the players walked off the pitch to boos from some of those home fans who waited until the end.
Morgan Amalfitano is proving to be a loan signing every bit as savvy as Romelu Lukaku was last year. The French midfielder scored the opening goal nine minutes into the second half and was impressive throughout.
Wayne Rooney equalised just three minutes later, scoring his second free-kick in a week. But it was the Baggies who looked the most likely, and Saido Berahino scored what proved to be the winner with 23 minutes to play.
United did get the ball into the net late on, only to see substitute Marouane Fellaini's effort ruled out for offside.
The introduction of Fellaini, Robin van Persie and Adnan Januzaj could not inspire United to a much-needed victory. But the headlines and the plaudits should go to Steve Clarke and his side. West Brom are now 10th in the league, and look set for another fine campaign.
The same cannot currently be said for a 12th-placed United.